Talk:Spells

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  • TODO: Make individual pages for each spell.
  • TODO: Make a template for spell infoboxes (I can't figure out how that works...)

Weakman54 (talk) 08:12, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

As opposed to creating a template for spell infoboxes, I have uploaded images of spell infoboxes from in game, screenshots. You can view these for any spell you've collected (and used?) by pressing escape and clicking progress, then hovering over each spell. I did so for each spell that I have collected on that page thus far. Flabort (talk) 22:14, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
Actually, I like how you've done the new infoboxes, so I'm keeping up the pattern with new pages I make. Feel free to edit the pages I made or however you'd like to do it. Flabort (talk) 17:29, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Organizing of spells[edit source]

Hey guys, I'm kinda new to this wiki stuff so take it with a grain of salt, but I feel that for now the page is a bit cluttered. Spells from one familly are all over the place (like Acid Trail and Fire Trail). So I figured I'll get to it and try to organize it a bit with a big table - simillar to what Gungeon did with guns.

Table-example.PNG

With this, we could have a quick overview of different spells in the game with additional info being added to specific pages. Also, I thought of not going 100% with alphabetical order and grouping simillar spells together (like Firebolt, Large Firebolt and Giant Firebolt in order). Also, we could get different sections and subsections for different types of spells. As in:

   - Modifiers
       -- Trails
       -- Arcs
       -- Formations

What do you guys think? Gloore (talk) 18:31, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

I'm all in favor of the table solution. I would suggest adding a colum for the spell icons. The separate spell pages could then be used for strategies and more in-depth descriptions of the spells. It might be reasonable - after the spell infobox template is used - to remove the screenshots of the infoboxes and use the spell icon as the image in the inoboxes. That should help with accessibility and make it easier to search for things. --Arthan the one (talk) 08:11, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
I don't think we need another column for icons - we could just add them above the name. But for now, we either have to cut them out from screenshots or wait for data miners to extract them. Either way, it's a pain to do! For infoboxes, yeah, the spell icon is really needed, BUT I would leave the tables from the game in a gallery of some sorts - they look real nice! Also, thank you for formatting the rest of the spells! Although, I would replace the "Description" column with "Effect" column - as some descriptions don't tell anything, see Chunk of Soil. ~ Gloore (talk) 12:35, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
Adding icon to the name: that seems fine, i just wanted them to be more recognizable.
Description to Effect: that's a good idea, the descriptions were really just a starting point as i haven't seen quite a few of the spells in detail.
Having the original Screens from the game around is handy for checking for "translation errors", so that seems fine, too.
--Arthan the one (talk) 13:13, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
Ack my baby - Actually, this looks really nice, and while it's gonna be more work to add spells as they're found (due to having to add rows and fill out information etc), it's really useful with information at a glance and all sorts of potential. I do object to having certain projectiles and static projectiles in the materials section - that section was created specifically for spells with "Material" as their type, such as the cement spell or "Sea of X". Mist of Spirits and Raincloud, for example, I think should be in Projectiles.
So while seeing such a large edit all at once on something I spent a lot of time on for the past few days is jarring, I approve; mostly. Flabort (talk) 20:46, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
I agree that spells should be with their type, i hadn't noticed the Rain cloud when converting to tables - i was mostly operating on full auto ;-) If no-one else does it until i have the time, i'll go ahead and move it. pretty sure that was just a simple oversight. --Arthan the one (talk) 15:11, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
moved rain cloud to static projectiles, wasn't sure about mist of spirits - the page say projectile, but it seems that it should be static projctile; can someone provide a screenshot of the infobox? --Arthan the one (talk) 19:38, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, I definitely jumped the gun with it - sorry for that! I figured that the spell list was a work in progress and subject to changes (although not as big as that one). But yeah, I was a tad too eager. And thanks to devs and HDanke1061 we now have icons for all kinds of stuff! We can start working on adding them to infoboxes, but I don't know whether we should add them to the table as a separate column or put them into "name" column and split it with a line break. As in:
Icon Name
Spell acidshot.png Acid Ball
Name
Spell acidshot.png
Acid Ball
Gloore (talk) 22:13, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
just so we're less certain: the third option:
Name
Spell acidshot.png Acid Ball
i think i'll start adding the images in front of the name this afternoon as that would be easiest (will have to find all the right files^^), and if we decide to change it we can do so fairly easily
i'm somewhat curious though - how did you manage to get all the good quality icons with transparency? has there been some release of icon files? you mentioned us having the developers to thank for it? --Arthan the one (talk) 05:54, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
From what I know, the devs were super kind and put the zip with all icons to the discord channel! And then HDanke upscaled them to 5x their size, because wiki use a real awful upscaling algorithm so they were blurry. And yeah, the third option is probably the best of both worlds for now! Gloore (talk) 08:29, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
i have actually gone with a separate column, just adding them to the name gave inconsistent results. will proceed with the remaining categories now, then the spell pages and ther infoboxes--Arthan the one (talk) 16:53, 2 October 2019 (UTC)


Does every spell really need its own page? I think obviously direct size variants could share pages. There could be one page for multicast spell, one for multicast scatter and maybe a single one for formations. Spells, like touch and mist spells, where the only difference is material could be in one page. And so on. Readers should not have to click to so many pages to look at stats. I'll start by adding information on all the spitter spells to the spitter bolt page. LightningmanFTW84912 (talk) 09:02, 24 October 2019 (UTC)


Trigger and Timer[edit source]

we might want to add the trigger and timer spells asseparate spells instead of variants; they seem to be treated as such by the game:

  • they get separate encyclopedia icons
  • they have separate localization entries
  • they can have completely new effects Spark-bolt-with-double-trigger.png)

This is the list of all spells with timers and triggers from the localization file: Timer:

  1. Spark bolt with timer
  2. Magic arrow with timer
  3. Magic bolt with timer
  4. Energy orb with a timer
  5. Spitter bolt with timer
  6. Energy sphere with timer
  7. Tentacle with timer

Trigger:

  1. Spark bolt with trigger
  2. Spark bolt with double trigger
  3. Magic arrow with trigger
  4. Magic bolt with trigger
  5. Energy orb with a trigger
  6. Decoy with trigger
  7. Bubble spark with trigger
  8. Firebolt with trigger
  9. Unstable crystal with trigger
  10. Dormant crystal with trigger

What are your opinions? --Arthan the one (talk) 16:59, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

I think it's a good idea to seperate them from their original variants. At the very least, it's more clearer what spells could have triggers and it's easily available. Gloore (talk) 17:18, 3 October 2019 (UTC)